The difference between game and the red pill

my comment on lion’s site:

what is now called “game” is what boys used to learn from their fathers, uncles and brothers.

actually, lion, do you know the difference between game and red pill? GAME is all the techniques and strategies to get better with women, including negging, cold reading, push pull, frame control, but also self improvement topics like working out, better posture, career development. the RED PILL, in contrast, is the deeper understanding that women are not sugar and spice and everything nice, that they in fact have a strong need to be sexually overwhelmed and dominated, that they are fundamentally emotional and childlike, that their concept of truth is not the same as that of men, and that their core nature is not to be loyal. the red pill teaches men to love and appreciate women as they are, not as we want them to be.

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on heartiste, yareally adds an interesting comment:

PUA = Game + Red Pill.

I look at it like all we (PUAs) cared about was what worked to get laid and we figured out (through trial and error and through linking stuff like evo-psych and self-help and studying Naturals etc.) just enough of the Red Pill to get the jist of why our shit was working but our primary focus was poon.

The Manosphere and Red Pill communities have just taken what PUA figured out and analyzed it deeper to help explain the concepts in a more “new guy who doesn’t want to swallow the pill”-digestible way and linking scientific studies and shit to back it all up (we didn’t care about that, we knew this shit wouldn’t be acceptable or studied for years and all the proof of it working was out in-field every day if you wanted proof). Basically Manosphere/Red Pill communities have been confirming our shit and making it more palatable to a wider audience who don’t want to go the full hardcore PUA route.

That’s why I roll my eyes when Manosphere and Red Pill people shit on PUAs/RSD/Mystery. It just shows how the new generation has no idea where the shit they’re learning came from.

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great comment on reddit:

You should never use logic with a woman – I assumed, like I assume many guys do, that girls, “play fair”, or negotiate in good faith once you get into a relationship. The Redpill essentially says, “girls never play fair, and if you want to win, you must not either”.