rivelino: yohami, what are your thoughts on comfort? is it completely unneccessary?
yohami: definite comfort
rivelino: the classic MM definition, “to establish comfort, trust, and connection”, do you think it is a necessary part of seducing a girl? i don’t hear you talk about it much or give it importance.
yohami: I went and read the MM part of comfort – pretty much sounds like “hanging out”, conversation and stuff.
When you talk about comfort in your stories it sounds like non-sexual stuff though, like asking about sick family and showing vulnerability, or engaging in asexual things, or comforting in a “I dont want to have sex with you so you dont have to fear me”
So I’ll ask again, what do you mean by it?
If it’s about conversation and hanging out, aka having fun, finding if she’s cool, flirting, sharing stories, doing stuff, it is crucial. If it’s about doing things that are not sexually charged, or comforting her from a beta frame, it’s poison.
Comfort and attraction are not a cycle and they dont kill each other, but propel each other, like the push and pull.
Bottom line the woman always needs to feel comfortable. But what is comfort? what are you giving to her? there’s a difference in the frame from which you engage in this.
Alpha dick in her pussy is comfort and trust. Compliments from a beta are not comfort. A sad story from an Alpha is comfort. A Disneyland ride with a beta is not. It’s always the frame. So I’ll ask again.
Define what you mean.
yohami: Reading more about MM (haven’t touched it in 10 years?). He splits the process in modules:
I haven’t read the whole thing again but I can already tell there’s a problem – seduction taking place at the end at the third location destined for sex. No fucking wonder guys doing this experience ‘last minute resistance’.
What his module seems to lack is understanding female nature. She’s been the one seducing you the whole time, and if you start the seduction at the end, chances are the window already closed a few times. Lets make it simple:
– The female dance is rigged to screen for the alpha guy
– Alpha guys lead with their sexuality
Where is sexuality placed in this list? When you get to it, you’ve been already discarded.
rivelino: yohami, one of the key MM insights is that sexual attraction has to come before seeking an emotional connection. in other words, don’t try to be her friend first. don’t hide your dick.
when he says attraction, he means sexual attraction. when he says seduction, he means the physical act of making out with her and banging her.
his big thesis is that the best way to get a girl to fall for you hard is to first get her sexually attracted to you, then get her emotionally invested in you, and *then* you bang her.
and for him, a woman becomes “sexually attracted” to a man when he displays alpha traits.
but his world was not black and white, with alpha men and beta men. he truly believed that men could pick up alpha traits, learn the MM model, and bang chicks they normally wouldn’t bang.
yohami: Still thinking about this issue. Is it your assumption that Attraction is the Alpha part, and Comfort is the Beta part?
Because that would explain quite a lot
rivelino: haha, actually maybe you are right. it *is* possible that i overdo the comfort part.
my working theory is that if she agrees to go on a date with me, then she is attracted to me, and the next step is to establish an emotional connection.
i know you think i hide my dick, but i know that i don’t, because even if you don’t remember my successes, i do. i have banged girls 10-20 years younger than me, and more attractive than me, and i have done it by consciously applying stuff i learned in the #manosphere.
i do think, though, that i am uncalibrated. that i overdo comfort is very probable. i am a naturally considerate, harmony-seeking and introverted person. i don’t get off on power and i don’t get off on being the center of attention. several girls have told me recently that i am gentle, and i agree with them.
and, so if i do believe that girls get turned on by powerful, dominant men, then i gotta work on being more dominant and powerful. i gotta overdo it until i find what works. that is my challenge.
regardless, i think your statement “you can’t build alpha on top of beta” perfectly defines your game philosophy. that must make you feel good, because by defintion it means you are 100% alpha, to the core. and anyone who shows any beta tendencies is beta to the core, and needs to raze the structure and start all over.
black and white, baby.